From why at poignantguide.net Mon Jul 18 01:10:10 2005 From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff) Date: Mon Jul 18 01:05:12 2005 Subject: (Poignant) Guide Redesign Message-ID: <42DB39B2.20305@poignantguide.net> Team, I'm looking for feedback on the new look of the book: Still working on it, somethingsies may be broke. The red is vanquished. Is okay? CSS bugs? _why From manfred.stienstra at dwerg.net Mon Jul 18 03:21:42 2005 From: manfred.stienstra at dwerg.net (Manfred Stienstra) Date: Mon Jul 18 03:16:21 2005 Subject: (Poignant) Guide Redesign In-Reply-To: <42DB39B2.20305@poignantguide.net> References: <42DB39B2.20305@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: <1121671302.12841.15.camel@ack.dwerg.net> On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 23:10 -0600, why the lucky stiff wrote: > Still working on it, somethingsies may be broke. The red is vanquished. > Is okay? CSS bugs? On the first page the text about the lost foxes seems to overlap. It looks like this happens with certain font-sizes. http://ack.dwerg.net/effe/pg_text.png The w3.org css-validator says there's an error in the stylesheet. http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F% 2Fqa.poignantguide.net%2Fchapter-1.html&usermedium=all Manfred From Bil.Kleb at nasa.gov Mon Jul 18 03:42:30 2005 From: Bil.Kleb at nasa.gov (Bil.Kleb@nasa.gov) Date: Mon Jul 18 03:37:07 2005 Subject: (Poignant) Guide Redesign In-Reply-To: <42DB39B2.20305@poignantguide.net> References: <42DB39B2.20305@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: A Why wrote: > Team, I'm looking for feedback on the new look of the book: > > > > Still working on it, somethingsies may be broke. The red is vanquished. > Is okay? CSS bugs? Warning: coming down off painkillers after wrenching by back... Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050317 Firefox/1.0.2 The line spacing of the "NEW! Lost foxes ..." causes the descenders of each line to be cut off. "More Quotes" => Not found. (http://qa.poignantguide.net/quotes.html) Title page: The description/line to the *1st edition* Pickaxe is dated? General: Toning down the background a bit would be kinder on my eyes. Characters per line ~90 > recommended ~60 for single-spaced text, but leading is fairly large, so it remains readable. Chapter 6 is so long, it scares me. (I haven't read it yet. amd mostly for that heretofore mentinoed reason.) Please, continue to "Them What Live the Dream"! Oh, and thanks for still sharing. Earlier, -- Bil, http://fun3d.larc.nasa.gov From why at poignantguide.net Mon Jul 18 09:45:57 2005 From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff) Date: Mon Jul 18 09:41:01 2005 Subject: (Poignant) Guide Redesign In-Reply-To: References: <42DB39B2.20305@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: <42DBB295.5080108@poignantguide.net> Good. Bil is here. Bil.Kleb@nasa.gov wrote: > Toning down the background a bit would be kinder on my eyes. It's too bright? This is on the the front page? Or do you mean the diagonal lines? > Chapter 6 is so long, it scares me. (I haven't read it yet. amd > mostly for that heretofore mentinoed reason.) > > I was wondering why you haven't read this yet. Did you read chapter five, cause it's even longer? Maybe I could break these chapters up into sections for reading on the web. And maybe my editor needs to show up to work. I've never even met him. I think he is all tied up trying to stuff his sleeves back into his suit cuffs. >Please, continue to "Them What Live the Dream"! Oh, and thanks >for still sharing. > > You talk just like a NASA guy should. Let's all reach for the stars, everyone. Thancksh, Bil. _why From Bil.Kleb at nasa.gov Tue Jul 19 09:04:43 2005 From: Bil.Kleb at nasa.gov (Bil.Kleb@NASA.gov) Date: Tue Jul 19 08:58:44 2005 Subject: (Poignant) Guide Redesign In-Reply-To: <42DBB295.5080108@poignantguide.net> References: <42DB39B2.20305@poignantguide.net> <42DBB295.5080108@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: <42DCFA6B.3070409@NASA.gov> why the lucky stiff wrote: > Good. Bil is here. Good? > It's too bright? This is on the the front page? Or do you mean the > diagonal lines? The black on white text hurts me. Everywhere. I have to look away occasionally to recover or turn the contrast way down on the monitor. >> Chapter 6 is so long, it scares me. (I haven't read it yet. and >> mostly for that heretofore mentionoed reason.) >> > I was wondering why you haven't read this yet. Did you read chapter > five, cause it's even longer? Yes caught me: I haven't read chapter 5 either. It was like a stone wall right after chapter 4. Besides, my sides hurt too much from laughing, so I thought I'd give them a break before I separated a rib. > Maybe I could break these chapters up > into sections for reading on the web. What about breaking up these chapters '.'? Thanks again for all the words, -- Bil Kleb http://fun3d.larc.nasa.gov From why at poignantguide.net Mon Jul 25 21:13:21 2005 From: why at poignantguide.net (why the lucky stiff) Date: Mon Jul 25 21:08:21 2005 Subject: The Carefully Executed Soundtrack Message-ID: <42E58E31.1040702@poignantguide.net> With any luck, tomorrow will be the release of the first six songs of the soundtrack to the (Poignant) Guide, pulled off by The Thirsty Cups, a few of whom will be coming to OSCON to perform some of these songs. If you'd like a preview of some preliminary and poorly mixed versions of the songs, try here: Whilst listening, you might wonder the following: * How will these be entwined with the online manual (vis-a-vis scrolling and listening)? (This I'm not sure. A miniature flash ghettoblaster?) * Will these come with the book when it is printed? (Yes, tucked in a flap, this is a fact by now.) _why From mental at rydia.net Fri Jul 29 18:13:23 2005 From: mental at rydia.net (MenTaLguY) Date: Fri Jul 29 18:44:10 2005 Subject: The Carefully Executed Soundtrack In-Reply-To: <42E58E31.1040702@poignantguide.net> References: <42E58E31.1040702@poignantguide.net> Message-ID: <1122675203.7865.156.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 19:13 -0600, why the lucky stiff wrote: Good stuff, _why. > Whilst listening, you might wonder the following: > * How will these be entwined with the online manual (vis-a-vis scrolling > and listening)? > (This I'm not sure. A miniature flash ghettoblaster?) Hmm. I don't know -- so far you've managed to strike a solid balance between Art-with-a-capital-A and usability/readability. However, I'm not sure people would deal well with music playing while they read online. Most browsers' attention is divided. This is _not_ ultra-background music, and music-playing webpages tend to be obnoxious to begin with... What I would probably recommend is adding links to stream and download the chapter's song (i.e. a one-song .m3u pointing to the .mp3 and a direct link to the .mp3, respectively) to the top and bottom of each chapter, and leaving it at that. This lets them use their music player of choice, and isn't overly intrusive. I expect most people reading casually on the web will want to read the chapter without music the first time, and listen to the song afterwords. Once they've absorbed the material, on subsequent reads they might well choose to listen to the music during their read for the full experience. Folks with the hardcopy and supplied CD would be likely to do something similar, though I think listening to the CD for the first time through would be more common. Picking up a book is a different commitment to visiting a web page. -mental -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/poignant-stiffs/attachments/20050729/5d07e47d/attachment.bin From quaro111 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 17:40:26 2005 From: quaro111 at yahoo.com (Jon Dodo) Date: Mon Aug 1 17:23:53 2005 Subject: Anyone done a PDF conversation? Message-ID: <20050725214027.2078.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> I'd love to print out a paper copy to savor, but there aren't any local print shops willing or able to print HTML with Firefox. By chance, has anyone already done a conversation to PDF? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com